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Posted by ConsistenceIsKey-114 pts Tuesday, June 18, 2019

Why do we care about "victimless" crimes?

I want to start off by saying, frick off with the 'forum this' 'forum that', I have two perfectly working eyeballs, and a perfectly functioning brain. I can spot the word at top just like anyone else can. The purpose of this post is to have a discussion relating to current events in SK and relate them to U.S. That's why it is labeled "DISCUSSION". Don't like, don't read. You are free to leave.

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 If there aren't any victims, why charge someone with a crime?

Victimless crimes are crimes that only directly involves the perpetrator or between two consenting adults. Some examples are prostitution, drug use, public intoxication and in some places gambling. In each of the examples, the only harm being done is to the perpetrator. There is no other direct victim.

Marijuana was outlawed and yet cigarettes are still commercially sold. The affects of cigarettes are worse than marijuana. 

Doctors prescribe drugs to people but it is not outlawed. Addiction to drugs usually start at the hospital where doctors would prescribe one medicine, get you addicted, then prescribe another drug to curb your addiction to the previous drug and now you're addicted to the new drug and so on.

Addiction to Alcohol is an illness, but alcohol is still being sold everywhere. Alcohol is even celebrated. You're not adult enough if you don't drink is a common thought. The affects of alcohol is worse than marijuana. You can literally destroy your organs.

If you were to braid your friend’s hair for cash, it would be a crime technically. It is between two consenting adults, but if you don’t have a license it would be a crime.

For organ selling, I get why you would want to ensure the donor is willing, but why can’t they sell it if they explicitly give consent themselves. Hospitals charge for services, why must donors give up their organs for free?

I never understood why punish someone for something that directly affects them. Whether it be drugs, prostitution, suicide, organ selling, or anything else. 

Another thing I was curious about is suicide. For example, the death penalty is still in effect in the U.S. Does that mean only the government has control over whether we live or die, under law? There are countless homeless people on the streets who are fighting to live. So why spend money on someone who does not wish to live? I know that ideally and morally we wouldn’t want someone to kill themselves, but why does suicide mean that the person must be crazy? Not everyone has the same value of life. In some countries, like Switzerland, there is the option of physician assisted suicide. Someone may have a disease like cancer and do not want to prolong their pain. Or they just want to commit suicide in a non painful way. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die

By criminalizing these victimless acts, it is just more of taxpayers money to punish these individuals.

Another note, have you ever taken ibuprofen/Motrin, Tylenol, benadryl, claritin, birth control, blood pressure pills, iron, adderall, needed morphine for anything, etc etc. Matter fact, have you ever went to the doctor's office and got a shot??? Apparently, we are all druggies then. Because there is no difference between these and other drugs. Drugs are drugs. Get off your high horse.

Physical pain and mental pain/strain. Why is physical pain prioritized over mental pain or just being done with it?

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    Punished for suicide....what?! Euthanasia is different from someone being suicidal also. Wanting to end your life to spare pain and slow deterioration is one thing. Wanting to end your life because you don't want to live is another. Shut the hell up.


    People usually get arrested for public intoxication when they're endangering themselves or others. Not for just walking down the street drunk.


    Also think of it this way, if taking drugs wasn't illegal because it only effects the person, people would be smacked off their tits. If taking LSD was perfectly legal, imagine the anarchy! Drugs also have massively negative impacts. People can act completely out of character or have hallucinations and do the craziest things. That effect others! Have you seen someone off their face on drugs? I have! I have been out drinking with friends and seen men lash out because they have taken something. Hurting others. Victims.


    Taking Asprin for a headache and shooting heroin are not the same. Using prescribed medications for your health does not make us druggies. You're being intentionally dense aren't you? How about you get off your high horse and read a damn book or something.

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